What is not difficult to imagine is a null-seccer distorting what I said so badly.

3. Low sec
Under populated. No unique reason to visit this area in terms of resources but FW is providing much needed life. FW working much better than first implementation but still requires additional iterations.


if I was to prioritise CCPs workload for the coming year based on system security my list would look like this:
1. null sec
2. low sec
3. high sec and worm holes.


low sec is sort of pointless - by default if you own null sec you can use your resources to take low sec so mentally you already own these areas....

to those of us living freely in our own area of the sandbox ask the following:

of a given request for change, who will benefit most?

Ok. Fair points.

Would u say then that the majority of low sec residents are happy with low ATM then?

Edit: hacking skill. Underused and undervalued. It could be so much more...

Yes yes he ould because its not broken the players are. When you enter the game you are supposed to go attack everything like you have rabies. You wont run out of isk at all. Dont worry about the stupid stuff high sec care bears are worried about. Just go gank something it is fun.

Why is hooking up with an established power to get a foothold such a bad thing?

You'll make contacts with experienced players who will buy your stuff and show you the ropes. Later on, you can try to move up into that alliance's leadership, or strike out on your own once you get a member base that can field it's own capital fleet.

Balancing nullsec industry capacity so that it's able to support its own ship consumption needs (and adding 'superveld' as said by Mynna), while adjusting highsec so that, while still able to support itself, is not able to manufacture every ship and good used in EVE, subcap manufacturers in 0.0 would be just as necessary as supercap manufacturers for a successful nullsec war machine. Nullsec space would not only be actively occupied and defended (because people would be using the space to mine and build stuff), but small-scale industrialists would be actively defended by PVPers because active local industry would be seen as necessary for the good of the alliance (as opposed to now where's it's seen mostly as a needless liability so long as highsec is a few cynos away). Small-scale PVP would increase as raiders came to attack the population and PVPers defended them. Wars could be fought more conclusively if an alliance could be starved of ships and materials.

Held up in Y-4 station for most of that, if my memory serves me right.

As discussed earlier in the post these Titans are getting paid for from the 21 trillion ISK generated from Tech moons. Therefore the comparison is not correct. In the cases where Titans are being built by non-moon goo alliances....wait there arent any at the minute!

Workable POSs would have cleaned up a lot of this mess, agreed. It also would have been a better entry point for smaller corps/alliances rather then blowing 22bil on a station just for somewhere to dock and a highly inferior and inefficient version of stations available in highsec for free. About the balancing thing - as it stands, highsec uses only a small fraction of the ore it mines and goods it produces. The majority of everything produced (since EVE's economy is centered around producing PvP ships) in EVE as a whole is consumed by nullsec & lowsec combat. Highsec's current system has incredible surplus beyond what its pilots use in wars and replacing PvE losses, it is a massive exporter of ships/manufactured goods to all other regions.

Any alteration to improve the industrial capacity of nullsec or w-space and whatnot necessarily means highsec would be exporting less due to lowered demand. Personally, I think the amount of buffs needed to trump free stations with dozens of slots that have guaranteed access would be imbalanced in of themselves, and that the only realistic way to implement a graduating scale of rewards to go with risk is simply a placing a sensible hard limit on highsec's surplus manufacturing capacity (like say, 1.5/2x what it loses in PVP). Another alternative other people have been pushing have been cranking up NPC station fees, but I'm not so much a fan of that (I think the costs will more likely be passed onto the consumer before people start leaving, solving nothing)GǪ

GǪ. What's needed is a clear relationship of mutual self-benefit, which doesn't happen between small-scale industrialists and null alliances now because thanks to the non-functionality of null industry, the mutual self-benefit isn't there.

Why not just charge Shepard Ogeko more ISK for his battlecriser? He only has to do 3 anomalies, now, in order to afford it. Make him do 6 or 10. Make him keep the loot AND salvage, and make him do some mining while he's are at it.

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So 0.0 outposts would cost 0 ISK to build, and there would be no sov bills?

well.

Since we moved PI goods production to planets, could a similar principal not apply to the many moons in space with moon goo?

then you could spread the goo across the whole galaxy. In a similar principle to the current PI setup high sec would be nigh on worthless, low sec better, null best. Would also give another use to WH if we could be bringing in some goo from the moons there too.

the programming already exists, it doesnt really need to be tied in with Dust, and the potential for carnage is huge. Fun for all hehe.

.... About the balancing thing - as it stands, highsec uses only a small fraction of the ore it mines and goods it produces. The majority of everything produced (since EVE's economy is centered around producing PvP ships) in EVE as a whole is consumed by nullsec & lowsec combat. Highsec's current system has incredible surplus beyond what its pilots use in wars and replacing PvE losses, it is a massive exporter of ships/manufactured goods to all other regions.

Maybe there's a better faucet than missions that could be implemented in empire.

Assuming that this system relies on ISK generated in null is a bit of an assumption. When Incursion was released in its original form for example, null's ratting population started drying up as 0.0 alliances were moving their ratting alts to highsec to grind their warchests using incursions. Which would also be built and manufactured in highsec with the final product being shipped to null to combat over moons and renter space and stuff. This wasn't just the rank and file, I've talked to alliance leaders who personally ran incursions during this era for their bankroll. Renters were still willing to rat in (no nerfed) supercaps and titans for good money (so there was still reason to capture space to rent out), but other then that even roaming in 0.0 started to die as a side effect of highsec incursions.

That includes highsec mission payout as well, you realize.

so you're basing your information off of TEST troll posters from 2 years ago about a coalition that never existed, at face value? and that measuring things in 'equivalent value in rifters' means large numbers of subcaps are being built in nullsec.

First, that there was ever such a thing as the "DCF".
Second, that moon income measured in ships, implies that null industry exists (this is more misinterpretation on your end then anything the poster claims).

Is this a Goonswarm only thread?

Sorry there are so many responses from members of Goonswarm you would think that?

Frankly I can't be bothered reading. Anyone got the cliff notes? Are they actually conversing or just trying to shut down another thread they don't like?

gonna go buy some ships from NPC sell orders

can you tell me where to get those ships from NPC sell orders again

Is this a Goonswarm only thread?

Sorry there are so many responses from members of Goonswarm you would think that?

Frankly I can't be bothered reading. Anyone got the cliff notes? Are they actually conversing or just trying to shut down another thread they don't like?